5 Replies ・ Started by Berkana at 2019-08-30 19:32:40 UTC ・ Last reply by jakobd2 at 2019-09-04 21:12:40 UTC

The "draw" tool needs to be re-vamped to ignore stroke order

Take a look at this discussion on Reddit about how someone can't find a kanji because he doesn't know the stroke order:


If someone is looking up a Kanji they don't know, it should not be presumed that they know the stroke order. I've tried to use the Draw kanji look-up, and it is next to useless, because most of the time it does not recognize what I drew.

Could the site developers modify the Draw tool to just do OCR on the image, rather than depending on stroke order? The current system seems to require perfect stroke order to look up a character.

Grey at 2019-09-02 00:27:43 UTC

I've noticed the same problem. Sometimes I can draw one of the simple radicals with a correct order, and sort through all the kanji that contain it. But, since my level is very low, there's a lot of kanji that I can't figure out. Often, I also search in English and get lucky, but that might be related to the types of words I search for. I suppose it goes with saying that one needs a breadth of knowledge before they can, say, translate, or even read quickly.

FriendlyMochi at 2019-09-02 17:48:44 UTC

If you have trouble finding kanjis because you doesn't know the stroke order, you can use the searching drawing tool of Google Translate.
If you first selected the Japanese language, then the drawing tool recognize kanjis without pretty caring about stroke order.
You can then copy-past the kanji here, on Jisho : it's what I do regularly.

yamataka at 2019-09-03 16:58:40 UTC

Why should the writing tool be modified? Stroke order is important and not difficult to learn. Without stroke order, character proportion tends to be incorrect which leads to confusion with similar looking characters.

FriendlyMochi at 2019-09-03 18:26:56 UTC

Of course, we are not saying stroke order is not important, but for learning Japanese, it should not interfere with the possibility of finding the kanji in any dictionary, I think.
It would be best for new learners, instead of them finally ending not knowing the stroke order of the unknown kanji , neither the word they where searching with in the first place.

At least, it's my opinion...

jakobd2 at 2019-09-04 21:12:40 UTC

Well I don't think the problem is the drawing tool not wanting to ignore stroke order, but rather not being able to. It's just not good enough to recognize the kanji without proper stroke order (of course sometimes it does work, but not always). If you compare it with for example mazec, the recognition is just bad. But, licensing something like mazec for this site would be really really expensive. So, the tool is what it is today. And in my opinion, it's pretty alright most of the time. Stroke order is something you think is overwhelming at the beginning and once you get the hang out of it you'll ask yourself why you ever thought it to be difficult.

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