1 Reply ・ Started by shaunthesheep at 2018-11-28 22:38:07 UTC ・ Last reply by jakobd2 at 2018-11-30 14:43:26 UTC This is a discussion about ぼく僕はにちようび日曜日にはたら働かざるをえないちち父にどうじょう同情する。 odd quesつもん が hあve (zaru/ざる) I'm currently reading examples with the verb+ざる (usually followed by [を]得ない in the examples). Just reading and rephrasing as many times as it takes. Is it wrong to think of it's functions as: verb+ざる、 as a mix of an involuntary+undesired action. And [を]得ない、as being unable to "secure/contain" that 'undesired' verb contained.. Thankyou and have a good day Appollogies if there is a delay in my reply, as i need to work out how to use the forum and set notifications.. jakobd2 at 2018-11-30 14:43:26 UTC This may be interesting to you: https://www.imabi.net/zaruwoenai.htm I would say ざる is just a conjugation into the negative, and 得ない being "cannot", thus meaning "cannot not X" when put together like this, as を is just a conjunctive particle. Then it also makes sense that a speaker wouldn't go out of her/his way to use this double negative instead of just saying "must do" if there's not a desire to also communicate that not doing X would actually be preferred by them. But there's something out there not letting them not do it. That's my take on it. Log in to reply.